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Perhaps THE major driving force behind the creation of this website has been to present a hermeneutical system which appreciates the Christological focus of prophecy and eschatology, without forsaking the Word of God for spiritualism and mysticism -- which so often is the case with "heavenly minded" people. The likes of Swedenborg bring - in my opinion - disgrace to Christ and Christianity and are to be cautiously avoided. Universalist Idealists, such as certain Quakers or J. Preston Eby, likewise take whatever benefit their personalizing applications offer, and turn them instead into dangerous lures to what is an overall dangerous system. In almost all cases, the lack of diligence with hermeneutical study in the manifest Word of God is a clue to this tendency. Hence, such unfettered systems are classified as "Hyper" Idealism. The likes of Swedenborg bring - in my opinion - disgrace to Christ and Christianity and are to be cautiously avoided. Universalist Idealists, such as certain Quakers or J. Preston Eby, likewise take whatever benefit their personalizing applications offer, and turn them instead into dangerous lures to what is an overall dangerous system. In almost all cases, the lack of diligence with hermeneutical study in the Bible is a clue to this tendency. Ultimately, drifting upon this sea of mysticism shows a disrespect for the Bible as the manifest Word of God. Hence, such unfettered systems are classified as "Hyper" Idealism. Though the materials will be archived here, they will be segregated in the "/hyper" category (or on the whatsnew pages) 1/25/8:
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9/23/7: MI:
Scott Thompson
How Heaven and Earth Pass Away
(2007) "The way into the "new"
: Jerusalem, age, birth, man, heavens and earth, etc., all were very
much open long before AD70. The translation from "old" to "new" was,
however, waiting to be revealed in a most overt way for all to see.
As the Word of God says in Hebrews 9, "the way into the holiest of
all was "not made manifest while the first tabernacle was
still standing."" 9/22/7: EC:
Second "Clement" Study Archive
"Wherefore, brethren, if we do the
will of God our Father, we shall be of the first Church, which
is spiritual, which was created before the sun and the moon; but
if we do not the will of the Lord, we shall be of the scripture
that saith, My house was made a den of robbers. So therefore let
us choose rather to be of the Church of life, that we may be
saved." 9/18/7:
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"The good to be got out of all this tendency is the deeper appreciation of facts, the closer and wider study of all the phenomena of the spiritual life, as exhibited in the whole course of man's spiritual history. Religious thought must keep near to religious experience, and only with great caution stretch its wings beyond." Tulloch "A new breakthrough approach for understanding the past-fulfillment and ongoing relevance of the book of Revelation has been published in the latest issue of the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society (December, 2006). It is titled, “ An Exegetical Basis for a Preterist-Idealist Understanding of the Book of Revelation” by John Noe.
This proposed preterist-idealist solution to
the problem of conflicting and confusing end-time views is being further
developed for presentation and outworking in forthcoming books and articles
from this author. The Evangelical Theological Society is the
professional society of conservative, evangelical scholars. Its purpose is
“to foster conservative Biblical scholarship by providing a medium for the
oral exchange and written expression of thought and research in the general
field of the theological disciplines as centered in the Scriptures.”
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Free Online Books: HI: Reginald Courtney - Joseph and His Brethren - Which Things Are An Allegory (1862) "This circumstance, like so many others, is significant of things spiritual. It teaches us that, in the service of our Lord, there can be no perfect freedom until there is an entire surrender. We may have gained a certain amount of liberty, —typified by the permission given to the nine brothers, after they had been in ward for three days, to return to Egypt,—but it is impossible that we should not, in some measure, feel the Egyptian bondage of sin, typified by Simeon's captivity, unless and until all has been given up, which our Lord and Master may require at our hands. In this seems to be represented the experience of many a beginner in the ways of God. He is wavering, irresolute; there is something dear to him which he is reluctant to part with ; he has not fully counted the cost; he is half-inclined to keep back part of the price ; at a command such as, " Sell all that thou hast, and give to the poor, and come, follow me," he is half-ready to turn sorrowfully away. As long as it is thus with him, he will surely find that he is not set wholly free from the power of those temptations by which he was mastered and enslaved before. If he may be said to have escaped from Egypt, and to be ready to serve God, still he has not yet entered into the promised rest: he is still detained in the wilderness, for he has still a hankering after the fleshpots." (pp. 85-86)
9/6/7:
Hermeneutical Approaches Study Archive - New Archive! HISTORICITY OF SHADOWS, ETERNALITY OF SUBSTANCE (MI) vs. HISTORICITY OF BOTH SHADOWS AND SUBSTANCE (HI)
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Free Online Books: HI: Stevenson Blackwood: The Shadow and the Substance (1871)
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II: Hank Hanegraaff Study Archive - "So just as Romans is relevant to redeemed readers in the 21st century -- though it was written to first-century Christians -- so Revelation is relevant to redeemed readers. Even though you have the quintessential persecution in the first century, Christians are told that they will suffer persecution for the cause of Christ in every epoch of church history."
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Incidental: Hank Hanegraaff: Q&A: Getting the real message of Revelation (this is why Hank's view is called "a preterist-idealist scheme" by Tommy Ice)
Preterism: So you're saying Revelation was describing something that happened in the first century? Yes. Revelation is written to first-century believers about an incredible apocalypse, which was going to take place in the first century. Jesus Christ is making the most apocalyptic of predictions: that Jerusalem and its temple would be destroyed. Jerusalem was the very place, as well as the temple, that gave the Jews their sociological and theological identity. Jesus is now saying that the temple and Jerusalem are going to be utterly destroyed, and that will take place within a generation."
Idealism: If the book speaks to a first-century audience about predictions that have already occurred, what does it say to us today? "Well, in every epoch of time we are going to suffer tribulation. Jesus Christ said, "In this world you will have tribulation, but take heart, I have overcome the world." In every epoch of time we will face Antichrists and persecution. So just as Romans is relevant to redeemed readers in the 21st century -- though it was written to first-century Christians -- so Revelation is relevant to redeemed readers. Even though you have the quintessential persecution in the first century, Christians are told that they will suffer persecution for the cause of Christ in every epoch of church history."
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Historical: Dr. John Noē: He Never Left "The closest you can come to the phraseology of a “Second Coming” is in Hebrews 9:28: “so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him” (emphasis added). Contrary to popular belief, this scripture does not limit Jesus’ comings to only two times. Rather, it highlights two specific and very significant comings, among many, for a special salvation-fulfillment purpose. This “second-time” coming follows the typology of Israel’s high priest on the Day of Atonement, which occurred every year. And Christ as both our sacrifice and our High Priest (see Heb. 7:27-28; 9:11-15) had to come and fulfill this typology, perfectly (see Heb. 8, 9, and 10). But if you insist on limiting the comings of Jesus to only two times, then this second time occurred, chronologically, when Jesus came and appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:4-5) or to John on the isle of Patmos (Rev. 1). How do you count or discount those comings of Jesus?—and there are more." My working definition for “a coming of Jesus” is this: it’s a personal and bodily intervention and/or manifestation of Jesus into the life of an individual, a group, or a nation on this earth. As we shall see, there are many different types of comings for different purposes, and they occur at different times and places. Some are visible appearances; some are invisible interventions."
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Nathan DuBois: MI - Full Preterism vs. Idealism: Part Four : Full Preterism's Single Dimension Focus "Being a part of the kingdom had everything to do with the manifestation of the new heart by those who believed. Those who had faith (within) would act rightly (without). Those poor in spirit internally would be meek, give the shirt off their back as well as their coat, take the low seat in the house, carry their brothers burdens, and have ears to hear -- all evidences of a softened heart to the gospel. Those who lacked faith would contrarily manifest the fruits of the flesh. We know Christians by their love, so beware of those who claim the name of Christ yet manifest the opposite."
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Nathan DuBois - Full Preterism vs. Idealism: Part Three - Full Preterism's "New" Gospel "So what kept men from God. What stood in the way of God and man. The law of Moses? By no means. If so Paul would have taught that it was in the destruction of Judaism that would remove the veil. Instead Paul said it was the Spirit that removes the veil. Full Preterism must either submit to the idea that the law is still in existence for everyone who is not in Christ, or submit to Universalist interpretations. The law of Christ is the reality of the shadow law of Moses. Removing the law of Moses, a copy, a shadow, does not remove the veil. Only the Spirit removes the veil. "
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Nathan DuBois - Full Preterism vs. Idealism: Part Two - Full Preterism's Achilles Heel "The issue here is the consistency in the approach. The devil is gone and inactive, irrelevant and being tormented, and so is death. The same punishment for both MUST produce the same results. Do I really need to do a study on Romans to show that the death from Adam is still going on today? Do I need to state anymore that the only way for Full Preterism to answer the devil and death problem is to invent a "new law" that humans break after AD 70, and a "new death" to explain the lake of fire that Universalists get wrong? Reformed Full Preterism must either depart from the Reformed grounding, lead to a Universalist approach, or lead to an Idealist approach."
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Nathan DuBois - Full Preterism vs. Idealism, Part I : Introduction (2007) "In this stage of Full Preterism, which I have recently come out of, there is the tendency to hold onto Reformed soteriology in the face of Full Preterists who would take the view all the way to Universalism. I was one of those preterists (with that tendency). It was clear to me that Universalism was not correct according to Romans, but it was also abundantly clear that Full Preterism was crumbling from beneath me in the light of Consistent Cessationism."
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Hermeneutics: Ludovici ab Alcasar (1614) On Revelation 1:7, and the 15th Hermeneutical Principle : "And this was accomplished in such a manner, that the universal mechanism of things created should maintain a most beautiful harmony with the wonderful counsel of God in the salvation of men ; and that things corporeal should subserve to the representation of those which are spiritual." (Vestigatio Arcani Sensus in Apocalypsi)
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Hermeneutics: Wilhelm Martin Leberecht De Wette (1826) - "However strongly the historic standpoint is to be asserted, we must yet insist also that the work contains an ideally prophetic element, which has force even for us." (An Historico-Critical Introduction to the Canonical Books of the New Testament)
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Sam Frost: Todd Dennis and Preteristic Idealism (2007) "Just because some universalists are using preterism for a framework that they think helps there case does not make Dennis' accusations here true. Dennis should be above such types of obvious fallacies.
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HI: John Noē : An Exegetical Basis for a Preterist-Idealist Understanding of the Book of Revelation (2007) “The revelation of Jesus Christ” (Rev 1:1) has a fuller significance and deeper character beyond its AD 70 eschatological fulfillment. Consequently, the preterist notion that it only applies to AD 70 when Christ supposedly came in “finality” is a weakness to be amended. And in a preterist-idealist synthesis, the strength of idealism remains that it “secures its relevance for all periods of the church’s history.” But its major weakness—i.e. “its refusal to see a firm historical anchorage”— is removed. That missing anchorage is supplied by Revelation’s A.D-70 fulfillment."
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MI: Marcus Booker: When Our House is Torn Down "the law is done away on an individual level (not to the exclusion of the historical passing away of the Law of Moses). What I am presenting in this article is a more systematic development and exploration of this idea. "
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Charles Kingsley : Discipline and Other Sermons (1881) "‘So it pleased the Father,’ says St. Paul, ‘to gather together in Christ all things, whether in heaven or in earth.’ In him were fulfilled, and more than fulfilled, the dim longings, the childlike dreams of heathen poets and sages, and of our own ancestors from whom we sprung. He is the desire of all nations; for whom all were longing, though they knew it not. He is the true sun; the sun of righteousness, who has arisen with healing on his wings, and translated us from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light."1/2/7:
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