LATEST ADDITIONS

• Modern Idealist Book! Donald James Perry - Redirectionalism: Absolute Orthodoxy and the Revelation of Jesus Christ (2004)  "Our interpretation of eschatology rests on Christ's coming, as defined by His coming to His Firstfruits. Our conclusions result in an interpretation that salvation is a process for each individual and the church the exact same way it was for those who lived during the generation of Jesus Christ. We understand that we today must live and think just as the apostles and Jesus Christ, if we, too, are to meet Christ. We cannot depart from the sanctification and way of the Firstfruits (2 Cor. 11:4), for if we could, that would then make us unorthodox, and leave us without a claim to orthodoxy."

• Scott Thompson How Heaven and Earth Pass Away (2007) "The way into the "new" : Jerusalem, age, birth, man, heavens and earth, etc., all were very much open long before AD70. The translation from "old" to "new" was, however, waiting to be revealed in a most overt way for all to see. As the Word of God says in Hebrews 9, "the way into the holiest of all was "not made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing.""

• Todd Dennis: Eternal Ship With Historical Anchors (2007)

• Nathan DuBois: MI - Full Preterism vs. Idealism: Part Four : Full Preterism's Single Dimension Focus "Being a part of the kingdom had everything to do with the manifestation of the new heart by those who believed. Those who had faith (within) would act rightly (without). Those poor in spirit internally would be meek, give the shirt off their back as well as their coat, take the low seat in the house, carry their brothers burdens, and have ears to hear -- all evidences of a softened heart to the gospel.   Those who lacked faith would contrarily manifest the fruits of the flesh.   We know Christians by their love, so beware of those who claim the name of Christ yet manifest the opposite."

• Nathan DuBois - Full Preterism vs. Idealism: Part Three - Full Preterism's "New" Gospel  "So what kept men from God. What stood in the way of God and man. The law of Moses? By no means. If so Paul would have taught that it was in the destruction of Judaism that would remove the veil. Instead Paul said it was the Spirit that removes the veil.  Full Preterism must either submit to the idea that the law is still in existence for everyone who is not in Christ, or submit to Universalist interpretations. The law of Christ is the reality of the shadow law of Moses. Removing the law of Moses, a copy, a shadow, does not remove the veil. Only the Spirit removes the veil. "

• Nathan DuBois - Full Preterism vs. Idealism: Part Two - Full Preterism's Achilles Heel "The issue here is the consistency in the approach. The devil is gone and inactive, irrelevant and being tormented, and so is death. The same punishment for both MUST produce the same results. Do I really need to do a study on Romans to show that the death from Adam is still going on today? Do I need to state anymore that the only way for Full Preterism to answer the devil and death problem is to invent a "new law" that humans break after AD 70, and a "new death" to explain the lake of fire that Universalists get wrong? Reformed Full Preterism must either depart from the Reformed grounding, lead to a Universalist approach, or lead to an Idealist approach."

• Nathan DuBois - Full Preterism vs. Idealism, Part I : Introduction (2007) "In this stage of Full Preterism, which I have recently come out of, there is the tendency to hold onto Reformed soteriology in the face of Full Preterists who would take the view all the way to Universalism. I was one of those preterists (with that tendency). It was clear to me that Universalism was not correct according to Romans, but it was also abundantly clear that Full Preterism was crumbling from beneath me in the light of Consistent Cessationism."

SHADOW showing  SUBSTANCE OF PROPHECY
Is the Ultimate Focus of Bible Prophecy on Natural/External or Heavenly/Internal Things?

"HORIZONTAL" OR "VERTICAL" ?

• A good many partial preterists have rightly recognized the typological nature of the fall of Jerusalem in AD70.  Unfortunately, what good could come from this is sabotaged by the belief that the historical shadows and types of that period point "horizontally" to even more historical events (al a the "personal return of Christ" at "the end of the world").   If they were to, rather, apply this historical model "vertically" to higher, eternal realities in Christ, then they would find their insight to be more profitable.  This also applies to futurist systems which see some fulfillment of prophecy in AD70 yet more in the future.

IN HISTORY OR IN CHRIST?

• Full Preterists do not recognize the events of the Roman-Jewish war as being typological in nature.  Of ALL the imagery in the history of Old Testament Israel, the events of the first century are remarkably seen as the only events exempt from typological employment!  This is due to the conviction that all previous typology generally points "horizontally" to that fall -- and to nothing beyond.  Though some recognize that spiritual realities are to be associated with that event, they are treated as either "moral applications" of fulfillment (meaning that any treatment of internal or spiritual things is merely a secondary concern), or are considered to be spiritual events which took place within the natural realm "in AD70."  A few believe that eternity follows the same track as time does, and that AD70 in the natural realm is also AD70 in the eternal realm... when events (such as the gathering of the previously living saints into the kingdom) are supposed to have taken place. 

• By focusing on AD70 as the critical dispensational turning point for the world, the ultimate fulfillment of eschatology is seen as being accomplished "in history" as opposed to finding their consummation "in Christ."  The secondary place generally given to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ in this system is also unfortunate.  This tendency leads to many debatable conclusions, such as the destruction of the law, sin, death and devil as being a historical reality for all humanity in the post AD70 era.

COMPARISON AND CONTRAST

• The Passing of the Law in History showing  in Christ - Externally Done Away in the Past FOR ALL.. or Internally Done Away in Christ FOR SOME :

• "Old & New Jerusalem" - External, Historical Cities showing  the Internal Condition of the Heart (Bondage/Free)

• Aion = "Age to Come" - External Material Age for All showing  Internal Kingdom "Without End" for Redeemed

• Eretz = World/ Land - External Geographic Locale (Planet or Palestine) showing  Internal Locale (The Kingdom Within)

• "End of the Age" - External Destruction of the Mosaic Law "in AD70" showing  Internal Overthrow of Old Things (2 Cor. 5:17)

• The "New Heavens and Earth" - External Material World for All showing  Internal Spiritual Renewal for Redeemed

• "The Parousia of Christ" - An External, Historical Event "in AD70" showing  Internal, Spiritual Presence of the Word

• "At Hand" - External Historical Proximity showing  Internal Spatial Proximity

• Mystery Babylon - External Material City showing  Internal Spirit of Antichrist

• "The Temple" / Mt. Zion - External Center of Worship in Building showing  the Internal Center of Worship in the Heart

• "the Death", "the Sin" & "the Devil" - Externally Defeated For All "in AD70" showing  Internal Spiritual Defeat on Behalf of Redeemed

• "The Millennium" - External, Historical Epoch for All (AD30-70) showing  Internal Era of transition for Redeemed

• "Day of the Lord" - A Single Temporal, Historical Period of Judgment showing  the Never-Ending Spiritual Judgment Seat of Christ

• "The Return of High Priest"  - Externally to those alive "in AD70" showing  Internally to Each as Kingdom Comes to Them

• "The Resurrection" - An Historical Event "in AD70" showing  Internal, Spiritual Awakening in Christ

• "The House of Israel" / Tabernacle of David - The External, Historical Nation Which Ceased "in AD70" showing  Internal, Spiritual Nation of Redeemed

• "The Gentiles"  - The External, Not Racially Jewish, Nations showing  Internal "Children of Disobedience" of all Races/Nations

QUOTES FROM MODERN IDEALISTS

• Marcus Booker "I suppose that you could say that the question isn't "how" to interpret the text. There is no "how." The question is "who?" Those who are humble before Him, God will not despise. He will open their eyes. They may not be all-knowing, but they will understand as much as they need to understand. They will be fed.  The Preterists, as I have seen, have interpreted the text utilizing the same assumption employed by the Futurists. That assumption is singularity of meaning. In other words, you presume that there is one dimension to the text; a verse may only mean one thing. " (1)

• Marcus Booker "Some Preterists, dare I say hyper-Preterists, so over-emphasize the historical completion of eschatological events that they fail to acknowledge individual and recapitulatory eschatology (a concept that I will explain herein). These Preterists deny Idealism and, with it, the power of Preterism. What these Preterists say, in effect, is that on every possible level, sin, death and the law are done away. What I hope to show plainly is that the same concepts that applied in the dissolution of the law apply uniquely toward individuals today. (2)

OLD/NEW JERUSALEM - THE OLD/NEW HEART (OLD IN BONDAGE ; NEW IN LIBERTY.

 

SHADOWS AND SUBSTANCE

• Ascension

• Baptism

• Binding

• Brazen Serpent

• Blood

• Bread

• Captivity

• Church

• Cross

• Day

• Exodus

• Flesh

• Flood

• Hunger

• Jacob's Ladder

• Jerusalem

• Jesus

• Lord Supper

• Prodigal Son

• Pride

• Resurrection

• Revival / Refreshing

• Sermon on the Mount

• Shaking

• Temple

• Thirst

LINKED SHADOWS/MODELS

• Cities Judged
• Noah / Jesus
• Forty Days / Years
• Flights "Come Out"
• Passovers
• Prisoners
• Temple
• Three Days